: ) : ) : )shukriya bhai,
ye shaaery kisi mamuli shaaer ke nahi k iss par mujh jaisay mamuli log ungliyan utha sakain,ye shaaery Imam Ahmad Raza ke ha k jin ko Allama Iqbal ne aik boht bara faqeeh qarar diya,gorakh university k aik muhaqaq(jin ka naam zehan main nahi aa raha) likhtay hain k "Imam Ahmad Raza ke shakhsiyat he unke shaaery ha,
Imam Ahmad Raza khud apni kitab main likhtay hain k "Naat likhna talwar ke dhar par chalnay k barabar ha,aik taraf dar rehta ha k itnay na barh jaen k shirak ho jae aur aik taraf ye b hota ha k unke muhabbat main koi kami na aa jaae"
so aisy soch rakhnay wali hasti ke shaaery par shirak ka shuba b karna meray khiyal main ziadati ha,
Chiragh bhai aap ne aj he jo "Hadees of the day" paish ke ha,usska mafhoom mujhe kuch iss tarha samajh main aaya ha k" agar koi shakhs koi poda ya darakht lagata ha,to jab tak uss drakht ka phal waghaira charind parind khatay rehtay hain to ye uss shakhs ke taraf se sadqa hota ha"
to hadees ke roshni main b hum in ashaar ko samajh saktay hain k ye to aik aam insaan ke bat ha, Rasool-e-kareem(S.A.W) ne to ummat k lie boht kuch kiya jis se aj b hum faizyab ho rahay hain aur itna kuch boya k jis ka sadqa aj b hum kha rahay hain...
Baqi ma yahan hazir nazir wali ya ilm-e ghaib wali koi behas nahi karna chahta,
ma ne siraf aapke bat ka jawab apni bisat k mutabiq denay ke koshish ke ha,agar koi bat buri lagi ho to mazrat ka talabgar hoon,kiounkay aap jo rozana hamaray lie aik hadees paish kartay hain,uss waja se Chiragh bhai meray dil main aapka ehtaram dusray members se kaheen ziada ha,thanks..
thanks for ur kind word and lovely way to express ur thoughts ,I respect ur views,: ) : ) : )
Bhai aap itni wazahat aur
pyar se apni baat kiye dil khush huwa
aur bhai ALLAMA IQBAL ne kisi ko kya kaha hai
koi aapke liye ya kisi unversity wale k liye
kitni bari hasti hai mein bhi maazrat ke sath kehta hoon
ke mujhe usse koi ta'aluq nahin mera to maanna
yeh hai ke khud Dagh ALLAMA IQBAL r.a ke bhi
kuch ashaar mein kotaahi unse huwi hogi
kyunke bhai ISLAM ke mutaliq jis zaat per yeh kaha jaaye
ke unka har amal theek hi hai to wo ANBIYA a.s ke baad
koi bhi nahin hain to phir hum kisi ki bari shakhsiyat hone ki
wajah se uska aisa kalaam jo bazahir theek na ho ye soch kar ke
bare bande ki hai theek hi hogoi dohraate rahen
to ye namunasib sa lagta hai mujhe
bhai mera nazariya kehta hai ke jaise
RASOOLALLAH saww ke Sahaaba r.a Rasool e kareem saww
ke shaan mein ashaar e mubarak likha karte the unhen parha
karte the lekin unke likhe ashaar se kabhi kisi ko shirk ka
shuba huwa na kabhi ho sakta hai so humen un hi ki pairvi mein
naat bilkul suthre andaaz mein likhni parhni peish karni chaahiye
baaqi kirdaar e Ahmed Raza Barelvi jo aap ne bayaan kiya us per
to mera hadd e darja tak ikhtilaaf hai lekin jese aap ne kaha ke waise
hi mein bhi yahan Ahmed Raza ke muaamle mein ya kisi aur muaamle
mein behes o mubahisa nahin karna chaahta bas jo namunasib sheir laga
aapki sharing mein uska zikr kar liya aap pehle member ho Tafreeh Mela ke
jinhone ISLAMIC sect me aetraaz per pur khuloos reply diya bohot achha laga
bas az aakhir aap se ye request karta hoon ke younhi mahol ko achhe
rehne dene ke liye hum aur aap mein ye mohabbat qaaiym hi rahe iske liye
aap aise ashaar jinme shirk ka shuba ho phir wo khwaah khud ALLAMA IQBAL
ke hi kyun na hon unhen share karne se gureiz karen
ALLAH PAK aapko hum ko hidayatyafta mo ilm hayadaar deendaar
khoobseerati khush qismati se nawaaze Aameen
mujhe samajh nahi aati k yahan jab Ahadees k trajum ko apni marzi ka bana kar tror maror kar paish kiya jata ha to koi b action nahi liya jata magar ma ne Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko nazrana e aqedat paish karnay k lie ye thread banai to aik tofan he aa gaya ha,mery aik thread main @F-iceage bro ne b kaha k yahan boht saray log kharab websites se ahadees aur trajum copy paste kar detay hain,hmmm to better hay k sab koshish karain sirf wo ishaar kehne ki jo sirf Tareef-e-muhammad (PBUH)par mubni hon ya darood shareef aisi cheezain share karain...khud se sure kar lain k un may ikhtlafat ki gunjaysh na ho!
jaise aksar natiya kalmaat may shirk aa jata hay to behas ka andaisha banta hay bohat si natain hain jo hum frequently aise bhi parhte hain but jab uski details samajhte hain to wo thori shirk ki taraf jaati hain,,thats y maine pehle bhi sure karne ka bola ta k behas na ho![DOUBLEPOST=1352895783][/DOUBLEPOST]and @Abidi bro according to some reports n detailed translation kuch ishaar ikhtlafat create kar rhe hain if u dont mind may i edit them?
okays..lekon hoorain sis pehlay aap plz mery info k lie itna bata dain k TM main wo konsay mustinad aur ghair mutnazia aalim-e deen ya mufti sahib hain k jo ye faisla kartay hain k ye ashaar shirkiya hain ya falan cheez ghalt ha?hmm @Abidi bro theek hay report karain ji threads ki aap baat kar rhe hain!
agar un may kuch edit karna zaruri hua to is thread k saath unhe bhi edit kiya jaayega for sure!
koi mufti nhi!okays..lekon hoorain sis pehlay aap plz mery info k lie itna bata dain k TM main wo konsay mustinad aur ghair mutnazia aalim-e deen ya mufti sahib hain k jo ye faisla kartay hain k ye ashaar shirkiya hain ya falan cheez ghalt ha?
chalain aapke bat ko lay kar ma aik example deta hoon k issi islamic section main boht sari aisy threads mojud hain k jin main Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) k ilm-e ghaib ko ghalt qarar diya gaya ha,aapko b pata ha k boht saray musalmano ka ye emaan ha Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko Allah Taala ne ilm-e ghaib ataa kiya ha,to iss lehaz se phir ye threads b to ikhtalafat creat karti hain magar un par koi action nahi liya jata aur issi tarha ke aik thread main ma aapko tag karta hun,aap dekiyay ga k thread starter se ma ne unke paish karda ahadees k hawalay se boht saray sawalat kiyay magar wo jawab denay ke taraf aatay he nahi thay,aap uss thread main mery aakhri post main dekhiyay ga k ma unko keh raha hun k bhai mery post#24 ka to jawab do magar usskay bad unho ne reply he nahi kiya,koi mufti nhi!
magar toheed k kuch authentic references hain staff members ko jab toheed aur shirk may tafreeq karni hoti hay to un references ko daikhte huye ye cheezain handle ki jaati hai,,main aapko aik Thread may tag karti hun aap usse detail se parhiyega!
is liye kisi bhi jaga ikhtlaf hota hay to us ikhtlaf ki reason ko hi edit karne ki koshish ki jaati hay,,issi liey maine pehle hi sabko inform karti hun k jis may ikhtlaf ka zra bhi andaisha ho wo cheez share hi mat kiya karain...cauz main nhi chahti baad may sab hamain blame karain k hum kisi aik firqe ko favor kar rhe hain ya aisa kuch,,hala k aisa kuch nhi hay!
i hope u understand
prophet Muhammad (PBUH) k paas ilm-ghaib nhi tha aur ye baat main nhi keh rhi Quran paak ki aayat aur khud prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ne kahi hay,,,agar is pe aap discussion karna chaho to main references k saath thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH!chalain aapke bat ko lay kar ma aik example deta hoon k issi islamic section main boht sari aisy threads mojud hain k jin main Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) k ilm-e ghaib ko ghalt qarar diya gaya ha,aapko b pata ha k boht saray musalmano ka ye emaan ha Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko Allah Taala ne ilm-e ghaib ataa kiya ha,to iss lehaz se phir ye threads b to ikhtalafat creat karti hain magar un par koi action nahi liya jata aur issi tarha ke aik thread main ma aapko tag karta hun,aap dekiyay ga k thread starter se ma ne unke paish karda ahadees k hawalay se boht saray sawalat kiyay magar wo jawab denay ke taraf aatay he nahi thay,aap uss thread main mery aakhri post main dekhiyay ga k ma unko keh raha hun k bhai mery post#24 ka to jawab do magar usskay bad unho ne reply he nahi kiya,
phir ma dekhun ga k aap uss thread par kia action leti hain,
Quran-e-Pak par to kisi ko koi ikhtilaf ho he nahi sakta magar masla ye ha k trajum par iktalafat hain,aik he aayat k mukhtilaf qisam k tarajum aur mafhoom paish kiyay jatay hain,prophet Muhammad (PBUH) k paas ilm-ghaib nhi tha aur ye baat main nhi keh rhi Quran paak ki aayat aur khud prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ne kahi hay,,,agar is pe aap discussion karna chaho to main references k saath thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH!
SUrah jin ki hi first aur last aayat ko detail se parhain is k ilawa bhi beshumar aayat hai jis may ye wazea hay k prophet Muhammad(PBUH) ko koi ghaib ki baat nhi pta hoti thi siwaye un baato k jo ALLAH tala khud un par wahi nazil farmaate!
Ghaib ka ilm rakhna ALLAH ki siffat hay aru ALLAH ki siffat may kisi ko shareek karna shirk hi ki aik kisam hay,,maine apako kisi thread may tag kiya tha thori dair pehle aap plz usse detail se parhain,,is particular topic pe mazeed discuss karna chahain to muje thora time dain main ref k satah thread lga dungi INSHAALLAH n u r always welcome in that thread to discuss the topic with references [DOUBLEPOST=1352948436][/DOUBLEPOST]aur aik baat aap ko kisi bhi trhead may lagge k ye ikhtlafi hay plz feel free to report!
INSHAALLAH usse bhi zarur handle kiya jaayegA @Abidi bro
hmm lambi behas ho jaayegi!Quran-e-Pak par to kisi ko koi ikhtilaf ho he nahi sakta magar masla ye ha k trajum par iktalafat hain,aik he aayat k mukhtilaf qisam k tarajum aur mafhoom paish kiyay jatay hain,
ma b InshAllah boht saray refrences paish kar sakta hun magar masla ye ha k ma siraf mobile se he online ho sakta hun,
Allah ke sifaat main kisi ko shreek nahi kiya ja sakta,lekon Allah be niaaz ha,Wo agar apni taqat se kisi ko ilm-e ghaib ataa kar day to uss ke marzi,uss ke taqat ka inkar nahi kiya ja sakta,
jaisay k Allah ne apni taqat se farishton ko hukam diya k Hazrat Adam(A.S) ko sajda karo aur jis ne inkar kiya wo iblees kehlaya,
aur agar aj ka mulla hota to farishton par b shirak ka fatwa laga deta(Nouzubillah)
chalain aapke bat ko lay kar ma aik example deta hoon k issi islamic section main boht sari aisy threads mojud hain k jin main Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) k ilm-e ghaib ko ghalt qarar diya gaya ha,aapko b pata ha k boht saray musalmano ka ye emaan ha Nabi-e-Pak(S.A.W) ko Allah Taala ne ilm-e ghaib ataa kiya ha,to iss lehaz se phir ye threads b to ikhtalafat creat karti hain magar un par koi action nahi liya jata aur issi tarha ke aik thread main ma aapko tag karta hun,aap dekiyay ga k thread starter se ma ne unke paish karda ahadees k hawalay se boht saray sawalat kiyay magar wo jawab denay ke taraf aatay he nahi thay,aap uss thread main mery aakhri post main dekhiyay ga k ma unko keh raha hun k bhai mery post#24 ka to jawab do magar usskay bad unho ne reply he nahi kiya,
phir ma dekhun ga k aap uss thread par kia action leti hain,
kioun problem nahi ho gee,hmm lambi behas ho jaayegi!
let's stop it here!
ye thread muje edit karna hay ,,, i hope u dont have any problem?
baqi aap ne aik thread ki report ki i want time to read n check that us pe baad may discussion hogi INSHAALLAH!
yhi baat to sab kehte hain issi zid pe to itne masle ho rhe hain!kioun problem nahi ho gee,
ma apni posts ko baghair kisi proper saboot k shirkiya qarar denay aur edit karnay par ehtajaj ka haq rakhta hoon,
aap ne khud he reply se sabit kar diya k aap neural nahi hain,kiounk aap ke un threads main iss tarha ke 1 post b nazar nahi aati k jis tarha ke dhara dhar aap ne yahan,ma ne boht sari threads main @Silent Soul aur kai members ko ye kehtay suna ha k wo un thread ke report kar chukay hain magar wahan to aap iss tarha ke koi lambi chori behas karti hui nazar nahi aatien k jis tarha ke meray sath kar rahi hain,yhi baat to sab kehte hain issi zid pe to itne masle ho rhe hain!
jo thread ka aap ne muje tag kiya usse parh k agar wo ikhtlafi aur problematic lagega aur main usse edit karne lagungi to wahan k thread starter bhi yhi bolain gaye ...
to phir kia ye better hay k aap sab k threads without permission edit kar diya karain?
agar main aapko aise saare thread dikhaun jahan hamesha muje itni lambi chori discussion k baad hi thread edit karne parre hain to aap kia bolo gaye?aap ne khud he reply se sabit kar diya k aap neural nahi hain,kiounk aap ke un threads main iss tarha ke 1 post b nazar nahi aati k jis tarha ke dhara dhar aap ne yahan,ma ne boht sari threads main @Silent Soul aur kai members ko ye kehtay suna ha k wo un thread ke report kar chukay hain magar wahan to aap iss tarha ke koi lambi chori behas karti hui nazar nahi aatien k jis tarha ke meray sath kar rahi hain,
as a staff member u should be neutral...